Podcast: The Meaning of Time in Prison w/ Morgan Godvin and Molly Hagan

This is a conversation with Morgan Govin and Molly Hagan

This is how Morgan introduces herself on her website: “I spent five years addicted to heroin and four years incarcerated as a direct result of my addiction. I lost my mom and four close friends to  overdose. I found a system of injustice within the US justice system. Now, I work to change the systems that harmed us. I strive for safer, healthier communities.” Morgan is also JSTOR Daily’s engagement editor (and occasional feature writer) for the American Prison Newspapers collection.

Molly is a writer, journalist and photographer whose piece “The Meaning of Time in The Hour Glass” introduced me to The House Glass paper, which was part of our conversation. We also talked about Morgan’s experience, about the US’ brutal carceral system, and the meaning of time in prison. We also talked about logics of scarcity and what we lose, wherever we live, when incarcerated people are rendered invisible.

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